Thursday, 18 October, 2018

Trump pardoning himself 'unthinkable and would lead to impeachment', says Giuliani

Rudolph W. Giuliani speaks to reporters at the White House on Thursday Rudolph W. Giuliani speaks to reporters at the White House on Thursday
Gerardo Duncan | 04 June, 2018, 10:01

But Giuliani said the president and his legal team would not take those extreme steps - specifically, that Trump would not pardon himself - because "we can win it on the facts".

When ABC's George Stephanopoulos asked Giuliani whether Trump could pardon himself, the former prosecutor - who was not on Trump's legal team when the letter was written - laughed and then said probably so.

"He's not, but he probably does. If the president were to pardon himself, he'll get impeached". It would be an open question.

"In no case can he be subpoenaed or indicted", Rudy Giuliani told HuffPost Sunday, claiming a president's constitutional powers are that broad.

Giuliani said he would be be "willing to sit down with Mueller and argue it out if he has an open mind to it". "In this investigation, the crimes are really silly", he said, arguing that the firing of Comey previous year could not be construed as obstruction of justice because Trump had the right to fire him at any time and for any reason. "Pardoning other people is one thing". Indeed, he could "terminate the inquiry, or even exercise his power to pardon" himself at any time "if he so desired".

Giuliani refuted reports that by pardoning individuals like Indian American Dinesh D'Souza, Trump is sending a signal to those caught up in the Russian Federation investigation.

In this May 5, 2018, file photo, Rudy Giuliani, an attorney for President Donald Trump, speaks at the Iran Freedom Convention for Human Rights and democracy in Washington. He said that Trump wants to testify but that Giuliani and his team are leaning against recommending that.

"He's not, but he probably does", Giuliani, said on ABC.

They wrote that Trump disputes having told Comey to let go of the Flynn investigation, and that even if he had, the president could not have meant to obstruct justice because the White House had indications the Flynn investigation was not ongoing at the time. "I think the legally correct answer is, as usual, the opposite of Giuliani's answer".

Laywer Elura Nanos, writing for Law & Crime, said a pardon would be "too much for" Trump's presidency to bear.

Asked about the possibility that Trump could be impeached simply for lying to the press, even while not under oath, Giuliani laughed.

Trump can't obstruct justice, as "that would amount to him obstructing himself", Dowd and Sekulow argued.

"We are writing to request that you hold an immediate hearing on the dramatic decision by the White House to obstruct investigations by our independent investigators at the Government Accountability Office", according to the letter.

"I don't believe that would be a legal question", McCarthy responded. "It's wrong", Christie, a former US attorney, said. The attorneys then present the relevant interview transcript in its entirety to show that Trump knew that the Russian Federation investigation would likely be protracted if he fired Comey, but that he had "to do the right thing for the American people".

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